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-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
EXECUTIVE SESSION: Alaska Liquefied Natural Gas
Briefing
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
             LEGISLATIVE BUDGET AND AUDIT COMMITTEE                                                                           
                       Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                        
                       November 28, 2014                                                                                        
                           10:11 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Anna Fairclough, Chair                                                                                                  
Representative Mike Hawker, Vice Chair                                                                                          
Senator Donald Olson                                                                                                            
Senator Cathy Giessel                                                                                                           
Representative Kurt Olson                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kevin Meyer                                                                                                             
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Representative Alan Austerman                                                                                                   
Representative Bob Herron                                                                                                       
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Senator Mike Dunleavy (alternate)                                                                                               
Representative Scott Kawasaki (alternate)                                                                                       
Representative Bill Stoltze (alternate)                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator John Coghill                                                                                                            
Representative Doug Isaacson                                                                                                    
Representative Tammie Wilson                                                                                                    
Representative Dan Saddler                                                                                                      
Representative Eric Feige                                                                                                       
Representative Lynn Gattis (via teleconference)                                                                                 
Representative Shelley Hughes (via teleconference)                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
EXECUTIVE SESSION:  ALASKA LIQUEFIED NATURAL GAS BRIEFING                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JOE BALASH, Commissioner                                                                                                        
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Provided a PowerPoint on  the AKLNG project                                                             
update; legislative briefing.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ANGELA RODELL, Commissioner                                                                                                     
Department of Revenue                                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  during  the  PowerPoint on  the                                                             
AKLNG project update; legislative briefing.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL PAWLOWSKI, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                          
Department of Revenue                                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  during  the  PowerPoint on  the                                                             
AKLNG project update; legislative briefing.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:11:45 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ANNA FAIRCLOUGH  called the  Legislative Budget  and Audit                                                             
Committee meeting to  order at 10:11 a.m.   Representative Hawker                                                               
and Senators Giessel,  Olson, and Fairclough were  present at the                                                               
call to order.   Representative Olson arrived as  the meeting was                                                               
in  progress.   Also  present  were  Representatives Gattis  (via                                                               
teleconference),  Hughes   (via  teleconference),   Isaacson,  T.                                                               
Wilson, Saddler, and Feige; and Senator Coghill.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
^Executive Session                                                                                                              
                       Executive Session                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
10:12:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FAIRCLOUGH announced that the  only order of business today                                                               
would  be an  executive  session  to receive  a  briefing on  the                                                               
Alaska Liquefied Natural Gas Project  by Commissioner Joe Balash,                                                               
Department of Natural Resources;  and Commissioner Angela Rodell,                                                               
Department of Revenue.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FAIRCOUGH informed members  that the Legislative Budget and                                                               
Audit  Committee will  conduct  two identical  meetings today  to                                                               
allow  the legislature  to receive  a confidential  briefing from                                                               
the current  administration on the  Alaska Liquefied  Natural Gas                                                               
Project (AKLNG).   She  said that  everyone participating  in the                                                               
executive session  meetings today  will have signed  the required                                                               
confidentiality  agreement  prior  to  the briefing.    When  the                                                               
legislature passed  SB 138,  it anticipated  the necessity  to be                                                               
briefed  on sensitive  information in  order to  protect Alaska's                                                               
interest in  the AKLNG project  on behalf  of all Alaskans.   She                                                               
emphasized  the  need  for confidentiality  to  ensure  that  the                                                               
legislature does  not reveal the  state's strategy  and undermine                                                               
its  own  interest.    It   is  legislature's  responsibility  to                                                               
understand  the reasons  why  certain  decisions and  commitments                                                               
have been made, the work that has  been done to date on the AKLNG                                                               
project, as  well as to have  an opportunity to provide  input in                                                               
the process and  on decisions.  A  confidentiality agreement must                                                               
be signed in  order for the administration  to share confidential                                                               
information with  members and staff.   While some may  choose not                                                               
to participate, those  who elect to receive  the information must                                                               
determine how to use the  information to make decisions on behalf                                                               
of all Alaskans.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:13:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HAWKER made a motion  to move to executive session                                                               
as  provided  under  Uniform  Rule 22(b)(1)  and  (3)  since  the                                                               
meeting will involve  a discussion of matters  that the immediate                                                               
knowledge  of which  would  adversely affect  the  finances of  a                                                               
government unit.   There being  no objection, the  committee went                                                               
into executive session at 10:14 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
^Presentation                                                                                                                   
                          Presentation                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
12:52:32 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FAIRCLOUGH  brought the  committee back  to order  at 12:52                                                               
p.m.   Members  present were  Representative Hawker  and Senators                                                               
Giessel,  Olson,  and  Fairclough.     Also  in  attendance  were                                                               
Representatives Isaacson, Feige, and Saddler.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
12:52:59 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  FAIRCLOUGH asked  for a  presentation for  the purpose  of                                                               
providing  the  general  public  with an  update  on  the  Alaska                                                               
Liquefied Natural Gas Project (AKLNG).                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
12:53:19 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JOE  BALASH,  Commissioner,   Department  of  Natural  Resources,                                                               
stated  he would  provide a  status report  on the  AKLNG project                                                               
[for  the public],  including  the steps  necessary  to keep  the                                                               
project on track  to reach a FEED [Front  End Engineering Design]                                                               
decision  in early  2016.   After passage  of SB  138, the  AKLNG                                                               
project team was  assembled over the summer and  project work has                                                               
been  timely  and  under  budget.    The  venture  agreement  and                                                               
assembled  team  is  well   positioned  with  substantial  global                                                               
experience,  he said.   Further,  the state's  team is  also well                                                               
positioned  to  carry out  the  work  necessary to  complete  the                                                               
agreements on  the agency  side to  facilitate the  commitment to                                                               
reach FEED, which  is anticipated to occur in 2016.   He remarked                                                               
on the  cooperation, constructive  dialogue, and energy  from all                                                               
parties.   Although they  are not always  in agreement,  the team                                                               
has  been  working  to  solve problems  to  achieve  a  "win-win"                                                               
outcome [slide 2].                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
12:55:22 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BALASH said  that the AKLNG project is  now in Phase                                                               
2  pre-FEED,  with  a phase-gate  decision  approaching  in  2016                                                               
[slide 3].   Substantial work  will be necessary to  achieve that                                                               
decision.    A number  of  decisions  related to  royalty-in-kind                                                               
(RIK),  as well  as  other fiscal  agreements  must be  developed                                                               
early in 2015  to allow the legislature and the  public to affirm                                                               
the agreements in a special  legislative session, which is likely                                                               
to occur in  the fall of 2015.  Although  the executive branch is                                                               
the negotiating  party, the authority  to approve  the agreements                                                               
comes from  the legislature.   Thus, the administration  has been                                                               
conducting  periodic  executive  sessions  with  the  Legislative                                                               
Budget  &  Audit Committee.    The  incoming administration  will                                                               
likely   hold  additional   briefings   with  other   legislative                                                               
committees  during the  upcoming  legislative  session to  obtain                                                               
feedback on  options and identify  pathways available  during the                                                               
negotiating phase.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
12:56:53 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE    HAWKER   related    his   understanding    that                                                               
Commissioner  Balash  has  been providing  the  legislature  with                                                               
significant details on the state's  bargaining position under the                                                               
terms of  the confidentiality agreement.   He  further understood                                                               
that  neither the  Department  of Revenue  or  the Department  of                                                               
Natural Resources  have held a  similar transition  briefing with                                                               
the  incoming administration.   He  asked whether  there are  any                                                               
plans  to  have  a  detailed transition  briefing  with  incoming                                                               
administration.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BALASH  answered that  there  has  not yet  been  a                                                               
detailed briefing  with the  incoming administration  although he                                                               
has  held  a  general  conversation with  Dr.  Mark  Meyers,  the                                                               
incoming  commissioner  with respect  to  the  transition at  the                                                               
Department of Natural  Resources (DNR).  He  anticipated that oil                                                               
and gas issues will arise during face-to-face meetings.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HAWKER asked whether  Commissioner Rodell, who has                                                               
been instrumental  in developing the details  and the intricacies                                                               
involved  to  date,  has  had   an  opportunity  to  provide  any                                                               
transition to the incoming administration.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
12:58:38 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ANGELA  RODELL, Commissioner,  Department  of Revenue,  responded                                                               
that  the  department has  not  been  asked to  provide  specific                                                               
information during the transition, but  she will continue to make                                                               
herself available to do so.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
12:59:07 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BALASH  stressed "the last  bullet" [on slide  3] in                                                               
terms  of the  work schedule  contemplated, requires  maintaining                                                               
project alignment.   If the  state maintains that  alignment, and                                                               
all parties  agree to work  constructively in order  to progress,                                                               
the project  will be on  track; however,  any one of  the parties                                                               
can upset  the alignment.   He noted that the  new administration                                                               
has signaled it  wants to keep the AKLNG project  on track, which                                                               
will include what needs to happen in the next 15-18 months.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BALASH  reported the  progress on the  AKLNG project                                                               
to  date.    The  state  has worked  through  the  Point  Thomson                                                               
settlement,  joint work  agreements,  concept  selection, and  is                                                               
currently  making  its  way  through Pre-FEED  [slide  4].    The                                                               
parties  have  collectively  spent  $500  million  and  the  work                                                               
associated with Pre-FEED  should be complete by the  end of 2015,                                                               
then move  to the full FEED  phase - expected to  cost $2 billion                                                               
and take two to three years to  complete.  The overall time to go                                                               
through  this process  will depend  on the  time to  complete the                                                               
federal permitting  processes.   Once the  permits are  in place,                                                               
the parties will  be in the position to sanction  the project and                                                               
make  a final  investment decision  and begin  construction.   He                                                               
said that "first gas"  could occur as soon as 2023  or 2025.  Any                                                               
of these  numbers could change if  the state fails to  obtain the                                                               
necessary  agreements,  alignments,  or  permits  for  the  AKLNG                                                               
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:02:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HAWKER asked  whether the  legislature previously                                                               
saw this  chart [slide 4] as  part of the development  of SB 138.                                                               
He suggested  that the chart  represents the highest  level, most                                                               
abstract  plan  chart  for  the   entire  successful  project  by                                                               
outlining  the work  plans and  key  decision points.   He  asked                                                               
whether this chart  is the same aforementioned chart,  and if so,                                                               
if any significant changes have been made to it.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BALASH answered that it  is the same chart with some                                                               
of detailed information  has been stripped off  to allow timeline                                                               
dates to be inserted.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HAWKER  asked  for further  clarification  as  to                                                               
whether  the department  is on  track with  the timeline  for the                                                               
AKLNG project.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BALASH answered that the department is on track.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:03:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BALASH   stated  that  significant  work   must  be                                                               
completed during  the next 15  months to reach the  FEED decision                                                               
in the first quarter of 2016  (1Q 16) [slide 5].  The anticipated                                                               
work  listed  excludes  any  confidential  information  with  the                                                               
general timeline  stretching from  January 2015 through  the FEED                                                               
decision in  the first quarter 2016  (1Q16).  The top  line [from                                                               
January  2015-August 2015  labeled  "DNR RIK  Process" refers  to                                                               
royalty-in-kind  (RIK) and  represents the  timeline decision  to                                                               
limit the state's right to  switch from royalty-in-value (RIV) to                                                               
RIK or  vice versa.   This timeline also includes  the flattening                                                               
of royalty  terms on certain  leases with  a net profit  share or                                                               
sliding scale royalty.  This  August 2015 deadline will allow the                                                               
[DNR and  DOR] commissioners to  enter into an agreement  of less                                                               
than  two years  duration  in  advance of  a  special session  in                                                               
October 2015.   Since the agreements will need  a duration longer                                                               
than  two years,  legislative  approval will  be  required for  a                                                               
number  of  items.     It  will  take  several   months  for  the                                                               
legislature and  the public  to review  the information  prior to                                                               
the   October  special   legislative  session.     The   DOR  and                                                               
municipalities  will  also  need  to  negotiate  agreements  with                                                               
respect to  property taxes.   Virtually  all of  these agreements                                                               
must  have term  sheet agreements  completed by  April, with  the                                                               
agreements  "papered"  by July,  to  allow  each organization  to                                                               
review them prior to publicizing them in August 2015.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  RODELL commented  that the  Municipal Advisory  Gas                                                               
Project Review Board (MAGPR) has  been meeting on a regular basis                                                               
to develop  recommendations on changes  to property tax  for this                                                               
project  to present  to the  administration and  the legislature.                                                               
Their report will  be released on December 15,  2014, as required                                                               
by the administrative order and SB 138.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:07:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BALASH highlighted  the  2014  summer field  season                                                               
work update  [slide 6].   He briefly reviewed  accomplishments to                                                               
date, which  were concentrated in  an area between  Livengood and                                                               
Big Lake.   The final route for  the last leg of  the pipeline to                                                               
Nikiski  has not  yet  been  determined.   Thus,  the 2015  field                                                               
season [to collect samples, surveys,  and data] will be important                                                               
in terms of keeping the project on track.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:08:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER   RODELL  acknowledged   a   tremendous  amount   of                                                               
coordination  and  sharing  of   information  with  AGDC  [Alaska                                                               
Gasline  Development  Corporation]   on  the  Alaska  stand-alone                                                               
pipeline has been done to avoid a duplication of effort.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:09:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BALASH emphasized  the importance  of drafting  the                                                               
resource  reports  required  by  the  Federal  Energy  Regulatory                                                               
Commission (FERC)  for the NEPA  pre-file request is  critical to                                                               
the success  of 2015 summer field  season [slide 7]. Each  of the                                                               
reviews must  be completed by  state agencies prior  to submittal                                                               
to  the FERC  in January.   This  will allow  the FERC  and other                                                               
federal  agencies  time to  provide  meaningful  feedback to  the                                                               
project, which will inform the  scope of activities undertaken in                                                               
the 2015  summer field season.   The transition must  assess what                                                               
will  need to  be done  by state  agencies in  order to  meet the                                                               
deadlines.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:10:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL  PAWLOWSKI, Deputy  Commissioner, Department  of Revenue,                                                               
in  response  to Representative  Hawker,  referring  to slide  7,                                                               
stated  that  the  acronym VAMOU  stands  for  Venture  Alignment                                                               
Memorandum of Understanding.  Part  of the collective work on the                                                               
AKLNG project is a recognition  that the legislature set up AGDC,                                                               
but SB 138  also designated the state agencies to  lead a host of                                                               
issues outside the  direct technical work of the  project.  Thus,                                                               
the VAMOU is the entity,  a working group, established to discuss                                                               
and accomplish all of the "outside" work for the AKLNG project.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:11:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  RODELL   added  that  the  NEPA   Pre-file  process                                                               
provides an opportunity for municipalities  and Alaskans to "make                                                               
their voices  heard" and  is a drafting  process that  allows the                                                               
FERC  to identify  areas where  additional work  should be  done.                                                               
This  includes  preparing initial  rough  drafts  that will  help                                                               
identify  any issues  and provide  for  community involvement  to                                                               
identify the  impacts of the  project.  For example,  as property                                                               
taxes are discussed,  determinations can be made in  terms of the                                                               
impact payments.  This process  also includes developing a socio-                                                               
economic  resources  report,  number  5, which  will  be  key  in                                                               
identifying  project  impacts   to  communities  and  individuals                                                               
within the state.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:12:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BALASH  turned to  the  illustration  of the  state                                                               
agency gas  team organization chart  [slide 8].  Although  he and                                                               
Commissioner  Rodell will  be  transitioning  out, the  remaining                                                               
team can  help keep the project  on track.  He  cautioned against                                                               
making  a  significant  number of  changes  in  the  organization                                                               
chart, which could  be an indicator that the project  won't be on                                                               
track.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:14:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER RODELL  added that this organization  chart does not                                                               
include  AGDC staff,  which is  separate from  this chart.   This                                                               
chart represents  the teams  within the DNR  and DOR  designed to                                                               
move the AKLNG project forward.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:14:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BALASH stated  that it  also includes  contractors.                                                               
He directed attention to Greenberg  Traurig, a firm that has been                                                               
providing  legal advice  to  the state  on  these matters  across                                                               
administrations.   He cautioned  against any  changes to  the law                                                               
firms,  who  will  assist  in  developing  the  term  sheets  and                                                               
drafting the  necessary agreements, since this  could also signal                                                               
project delays.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:15:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BALASH,   in  response  to   Representative  Feige,                                                               
acknowledged  that   any  one  of  these   individuals  could  be                                                               
replaced, but  it really goes more  to the question of  how many.                                                               
Any of  these individuals  can draw on  the experience  and prior                                                               
knowledge of  the others remaining in  the organization; however,                                                               
wholesale changes  made throughout  the organization  chart could                                                               
impact  the  AKLNG project  timeline.    He  declined to  try  to                                                               
estimate any specific delay.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER RODELL pointed out that  the AKLNG project is a long                                                               
project, noting the estimated ten  years prior to obtaining first                                                               
gas.   She anticipated a  number of personnel changes  will occur                                                               
throughout the  course of the  development of this project.   She                                                               
highlighted   the   importance   to  recognize   that   wholesale                                                               
organization  changes  have  the   potential  to  slow  down  the                                                               
project's forward momentum.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:17:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BALASH  turned to  the SOA  AKLNG working  teams and                                                               
sub-teams [slide  9].  The  Heads of  Agreement (HOA) and  SB 138                                                               
continue to  be the guiding  documents for the activities  of the                                                               
state  as  it moves  forward  on  the principles  and  agreements                                                               
necessary to make a decision to  proceed to the FEED stage of the                                                               
project.    The  parties  are  negotiating  in  specific  groups:                                                               
fiscal,   upstream,    project,   governance,    expansion,   and                                                               
TransCanada/SOA  bilateral  agreements.    In  addition,  several                                                               
working groups  or subgroups  were formed,  including regulatory,                                                               
midstream technical, finance,  and tax subgroups.   Each of these                                                               
subgroups  meet regularly  to identify  tasks, deliverables,  and                                                               
continue to  plan the work, and  work the plan, and  progress the                                                               
topic.  In  terms of finance and property  taxes, the legislature                                                               
provided specific  tasks to  the DOR  and the  municipal advisory                                                               
board.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:19:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER RODELL  advised that the DOR  retained the financial                                                               
consultant  firm, Lazard,  as well  as an  Independent Registered                                                               
Municipal  Advisor  (IRMA),   FirstSouthwest,  for  expertise  on                                                               
certain advisory rules  that have been in progress  over the last                                                               
year on  the federal side.   The department currently  works with                                                               
an investment  bank to provide the  State of Alaska advice.   The                                                               
consultant  firms are  working through  their first  draft report                                                               
and are on  track to submit the  report on the due  date of first                                                               
day  of  the  upcoming  legislative session.    The  report  will                                                               
identify a  whole spectrum of  options available to the  state to                                                               
finance  the state's  portion of  the project.   It  will include                                                               
many of the  topics the legislature and the  Legislative Budget &                                                               
Audit Committee asked the report to  address in terms of risk and                                                               
participation  by  others  within  the  state,  including  Native                                                               
Corporations  or  individuals.   In  addition,  this report  will                                                               
provide  a  framework through  which  the  state can  view  other                                                               
agreements  to narrow  down the  range of  financing options  and                                                               
provide guidance back  to the administration as to  the risks the                                                               
legislature deems appropriate and  which ones are not appropriate                                                               
for the state to take.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  RODELL informed  members  that  the department  was                                                               
also  tasked with  chairing the  Municipal  Advisory Gas  Project                                                               
Review Board (MAGPR).  She characterized  the MAGPR as one of the                                                               
best working  groups, who have  met every  two to three  weeks on                                                               
recommendations   for  property   taxes  while   recognizing  the                                                               
concerns  of  the communities  along  the  Railbelt and  pipeline                                                               
route  that  will  be  directly impacted.    Further,  the  group                                                               
continues to  examine the  AKLNG's impact on  the balance  of the                                                               
state,  and  the state  as  a  whole,  as  well as  identify  and                                                               
recognize  the   direct  benefits   of  this  project   on  those                                                               
communities.   She characterized  it as  a tension  between those                                                               
communities directly on  the route who will benefit  from gas and                                                               
those that  are not.  She  noted the first MAGPR  report due date                                                               
is December  15, 2014.   The  MAGPR board does  not sunset  so it                                                               
will continue  provide a good  avenue for ongoing  discussions as                                                               
to property taxes associated with this project.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:22:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BALASH identified one key  thing the MAGPR board has                                                               
done  is the  bifurcation of  property tax  and impact  payments.                                                               
Certainly,  property  taxes  will  be  what  they  are,  in  some                                                               
respects, but  impacts are real  and will be felt  by communities                                                               
during construction.   Being  able to  separate those  two issues                                                               
allows the AKLNG  project to deal with the real  costs of impacts                                                               
and to  also address  issues affecting  communities or  the state                                                               
during this enormous  project.  For example,  the Fairbanks North                                                               
Star Borough (FNSB) will likely  have little value from the AKLNG                                                               
project within  its borders; however,  the FNSB will  be impacted                                                               
in significant ways  during construction.  This  process has also                                                               
affected the  FNSB's perspective  on how  to approach  the issue.                                                               
He said  it's something to monitor  closely and goes back  to the                                                               
importance  of  draft  resource  report  number  5  in  the  FERC                                                               
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:23:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BALASH,  in closing,  highlighted the  importance of                                                               
confidentiality, commenting that SB  138 provided the departments                                                               
with tremendous  responsibility to  negotiate and  further define                                                               
the details of  certain key agreements that will  allow the state                                                               
to  participate  as  an  equity partner  in  the  AKLNG  project.                                                               
However,   the   negotiations   will   ultimately   require   the                                                               
legislature's approval.  To ensure  a smooth process, SB 138 also                                                               
created some  unusual windows for the  legislature to participate                                                               
in the  negotiation by sharing confidential  information with the                                                               
executive branch.   He characterized  this process as  unique and                                                               
critical  since the  producers are  essentially negotiating  with                                                               
the  people of  Alaska,  although permission  will ultimately  be                                                               
granted  through  the  elected  officials.   As  the  state  goes                                                               
through this  process, the administration will  share information                                                               
with the legislature that it  doesn't want the counter parties to                                                               
have  access  to,  whether  it   will  be  the  three  producers,                                                               
TransCanada,  or prospective  buyers in  Korea, Japan,  or China.                                                               
However, advice  from the legislature  will be important.   While                                                               
some  angst exists  with respect  to confidentiality  agreements,                                                               
these  agreements  are  important  to protect  the  interests  of                                                               
Alaskans and  to prevent the  counter parties from access  to the                                                               
state's  strategies, motivations,  or  positions  upon which  the                                                               
administration will base its decisions.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER   BALASH,  in   closing,  said   the  administration                                                               
believes  that  this  course  is the  way  to  maximize  Alaska's                                                               
benefits  from this  project.   He  reported  that currently  the                                                               
AKLNG project  is on  track and  it can remain  on schedule.   He                                                               
hoped this briefing  provides members with a view  of the project                                                               
timeline and deadlines that need to be met over the next year.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:27:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  FAIRCLOUGH  expressed  the   Legislative  Budget  &  Audit                                                               
Committee's appreciation for the legislative briefing.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:28:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There  being  no  further  business  before  the  committee,  the                                                               
Legislative Budget  and Audit Committee meeting  was adjourned at                                                               
1:28 p.m.                                                                                                                       

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
AKLNG Legislative Briefing 11-28-2014.pdf JBUD 11/28/2014 10:00:00 AM